Posted by
Husker Jeff on Monday, September 04, 2006 3:26:12 AM
In my last blog, our little Tan Bear challenged my implication that World War II and the current war on Islamic Fascism are in some way equivalent. In today's entry, I would like to look at the similarities and differences between these two conflicts.
In his initial statement, the bear agreed with me that "There is always a bit of chicanery used by politicians when a nation is at war, or plans to go to war." Great, so we know that in WWII and in this war, things were said that may or may not have been accurate for the purpose of selling the war. He next compared the first Iraq war with the second, but I will ignore that for the purpose of this essay, as I am comparing WWII with the war and not other conflicts.
The bear then goes on to state "By the time Pearl Harbor happened, Europe was quite aware of the German military buildup. Roosevelt did not need to cherry pick intelligence for people to figure out that Hitler was a dangerous guy. They read about it everyday in the newspaper and listen to news updates on the radio." Hmmmm. Sounds a lot like what I read every day and listened to on TV and radio on the run up to this war. I don't think there is any sane person in the world who did not think that Sadaam was "a dangerous guy." That said, the Bear's contention is that the reasons for war in Europe were valid and the ones for war in Iraq were not. But what were those reasons?
It should be clear that Germany, like Iraq, was no direct threat to the United States. Neither country has a sufficient navy or air force to threaten attacks. And, in both wars, we WERE attacked by an partly allied force in a surprise attack on U.S. soil. The Japanese hit us in Pearl Harbor and Al Qaeda hit us in New York. As I said, the comparison is eerie.
So, Roosevelt declared war on Japan and Bush on the home of Al Qaeda (Afghanistan). But Roosevelt also declared war on Germany. Why? And as the bear noted, people knew Hitler was dangerous, what does that mean? The answer to this goes back to the treaty of Versailles that ended World War I. This treaty had several requirements, among which were:
- The disarmament of and limitation of the military forces of Germany
- Reparations in cash (which put a strong pressure on their economy)
- Requirement to leave all conquered lands and to return captives
- Stationing of Inter-Allied Commissions of Control, with free access, to monitor the rules.
- Banning of an air force.
After the first Iraq war, we signed a cease fire which had similar requirements.
- Disarmament, specifically of weapons of mass destruction.
- Continuation of economic sanctions until all parts of the cease fire are met.
- Requirement to leave all conquered lands and return captives
- Allowing UN inspection teams free access to all sites.
- No Fly zones over various areas of the country.
Again, the similarities are eerie. And exactly what happened to these conditions that led to the next war? Well, Hitler began the Hitler youth groups and others that allowed him to create an army without calling it one, thus rearming. He started to build weapons. Sadaam, by all accounts, attempted to hide his weapons from the inspectors in order to allow him to retain his weapons. In spite of this, great quantities were found and destroyed. Though there is strong evidence that much was not found and was transferred out of the country at the start of the war. So, while this comparison is not totally accurate, in both cases, the leadership of the enemy attempted to bypass the requirements to be disarmed.
The economic issues did apply in both cases, and Hitler and Sadaam attempted to mitigate the impact. Hitler by renegotiation of the amount to be paid (from 269 billion gold marks to 132 billion, to 60 billion). Sadaam used the oil for food program to offset the impact of the economic sanctions and to pay for his rearming. Again, very similar.
The third requirement, to pull out of all territories, was equivalent in both, though more severe for Germany in that they had to give up a number of traditionally held German territories.
Inspectors were required in both cases. Hitler hid his rearming from the inspectors until he had developed enough strength to eject them. Sadaam simply ejected the inspectors when he tired of hiding things.
The Germans were not allowed an air force and Sadaam was not allowed to use military aircraft over 2/3 of his territory. The Germans created civilian pilot schools and glider schools to get around the restriction while Sadaam shot at planes patrolling the zone on a regular basis. So Germany attempted to build an airforce while Sadaam sought to destroy our air superiority over his country.
So, what does all this say? It says Sadaam was following the path that Hitler had blazed 60 years before. But there is more. In addition to the violations of the treaty, Roosevelt had other reasons to act. Among them were:
- Hitler had made no secret of his desire to expand to get back the land given up under the treaty. This threatened both our allies and their economic contributions to our nation.
- Hitler was working on advanced military weapons (tanks and planes) that looked to destabilize the situation.
- Internal pressure groups in the US were concerned with Hitler's treatment of Jews, Gypsies, and others.
- Roosevelt was afraid that if he waited, Britain would fall, leaving us without a base on the door to Europe.
- Germany was the center for a growing fascist movement that took over Spain, Italy, and other nations at this time. This again threatened our interests.
This again is eeriely similar to Iraq. They did indeed threaten our allies in the middle east and there are few places on earth where we have greater economic requirements. Sadaam was, by all accounts, desirous of developing both nuclear and chemical weapons. Such development would destabilize the whole region. As with WWII, a number of internal and external pressure groups pushed our President to help the oppressed citizens of Iraq, both Kurds and Sunnis. While we had no worry with Iraq of losing our bases, we did have the great threat of the development of WMD and the sponsorship of terror. Finally, like Germany and fascism, Iraq was one of the major supporters of Islamic fascism in the world with their payment to families of "martyrs", support in the form of training camps, supplies, and medicine.
In summary, I cannot understand how anyone can say there is "No Comparison, Jeff." In fact, the comparisons are amazing and match down the line. The only difference is that we fought WWII with an intensity we have not approached in this war. In the 6 years of World War II, there were 24.5 million military and 62.5 million total deaths, adding up to 10 million dead per year. So far in the 3 years of the Iraq war, we have had (at the highest estimate is 100,000 total. If we take simply the number of deaths as a measure of the intensity of the combat we are are looking at WWII being equivalent to fighting at the current level of combat in Iraq for 300 years.
My last comment is that yes, we went into Iraq while it was still weak instead of waiting till it was built up fully as we did with Germany. And, yes this is a different war that we have to wage in an unconventional manner. This explains the intensity difference. However, when we talk about the reasons we went to war, I cannot see any difference between this war and World War II in Europe.